A Grate Day on the Andrea Doria

Andrea Doria at AnchorFor me in 1988, the summer was Doria Season. I was a Mate on Bill Nagle's dive boat, the Seeker, and for a good part of the summer, we were either in Montauk, NY, waiting for good weather, or anchored above the wreck of the Andrea Doria. It was a great time to be a deep wreck diver, and a great time to be on the Doria.

Early that season, I found an interesting way to get into the Third Class Dining Room, only a short swim from the Third Class Kitchen, on the Ponte Vestiboli or the Foyer Deck. Third Class was completely untouched at this time because of where it was on the Foyer Deck, and because there were so many places to explore. The problem with my Third Class route was that it was not a swim-in-the-park. Entry into the area required passing a restriction where the average diver would have to remove his air filled doubles in about 190' of water, and pass through a restriction with a 60' cavernous drop off on the other side. As a result, I was basically working Third Class alone because no one felt comfortable in joining me? Now, I was not a dedicated buddy diver, but I did like having company, and the restriction was added risk to what was already a very challenging dive.

So, I went to Bill and told him I wanted to use his Broco torch, and enlarge the opening in the wreck so other divers could get in. This would be good business for the Seeker, and a cool project, so he added a Doria trip to the end of the season in August, just to burn a larger hole into Third Class. Unexpectedly, we ended up with perfect weather, and we were able to accomplish the mission, successfully overcoming the few technical issues. We were in Third Class!

Team photoHowever, it turned really crappy within 24 hours of burning the opening. Run away, kind of crappy!! We barely got to dive the new hole before we had to leave, and the ride home was a long one. We all shared the fair amount of Third Class china that came up, but we decided that the first trip of the next season would be a special trip for all the guys on the boat who had made opening up Third Class possible.

Now, we had a new hole, and new china and we were not out talking about it. There were only a handful of boats, and a limited number of divers who were actively diving the Doria. In spite of the competitive spirit between boats and deep divers in the Northeast, there was also something of a code of conduct. You did not jump another divers claim. If someone was actively working a project, then you left them alone until they were successful, or they gave up. On the Seeker, we had opened the wreck, we worked for it, and we felt this hole was still ours, at least for the time being.

Andrea_Doria_Deck_PlansHowever, there was a true rivalry between the New Jersey based Seeker, and the New York dive boat Wahoo. That winter, at a Christmas party attended by a lot of the divers from the Wahoo, some video of our cutting into Third Class was shown, and they talked about how weather had forced the Seeker off the wreck almost immediately. It occurred to Steve Belinda, the captain of the Wahoo, and others at the party that it would be a great prank, and good business, for the Wahoo to put a "secret" trip to Third Class together, leaving before the Seeker's first trip to the site!! They would not list the trip on their schedule, and everyone participating was sworn to secrecy. Their goal was to "clean out" the hole before we got there!! It would be a memorable coup! Of course, their "secret" trip was not for everyone, because of ethics. Because of that, word finally got back to us on the Seeker.

Now, Third Class was huge, truly huge, and there was years and years of china there to be recovered, so they were not going to clean anything out in a single trip. There was plenty of china for everyone, but this was against the unwritten wreck diver code of conduct. Bill took it as an attack on him personally, which it really was, but the rest of us were still not happy. Of course, the problem with unwritten codes is they are somewhat subjective. They were going to best us, and what could we do about it???

Glenn Plokhoy, was a talented young Doria diver and was part of the first team to Third Class. We were good friends, and dived a lot together, so we discussed our options. What could we do? What if we went out first, before the Wahoo? What if we closed the hole??? What if we designed a way to seal the hole we had opened.... maybe with something like a grate? What if we out-pranked the pranksters??? With a little luck and determination, we might be able to do it. Doing something so impractical, and original, and stupid, was a total challenge. It was us.

Glenn and I went to Bill, who wanted desperately to do something outrageous. So, we proposed a "super-secret" trip, to leave before the Wahoo "secret" trip, where we will first dive the hole we opened, go in and collect lots of china, and then close the opening with a "Grate" that Glenn and I would build. Bill loved the idea, especially since it meant another Doria trip for the Seeker, and more money.

Glenn is an engineer, so we started with some specifics as to what we wanted from the Grate.

  1. We wanted to keep others out, but a way to easily re-open the hole so we could get back in.
  2. It had to be strong, and it had to work. It would not be that funny if we closed the hole, and they opened it with a swift kick.
  3. But we also wanted the grate to appear "weak", to encourage them to waste time working on something futile. This was the psychological element.
  4. The Grate could not be opened by any tool that might be aboard the Wahoo.
  5. We wanted to close off the opening we had cut, but leave an access about the size of the original opening. They could enter Third Class, but only like I originally had. 🙂

Andrea Doria Arial ViewSo, in the spring Glenn and I built the Grate. We drew measurements from the video he had shot when we opened the hole. The Grate was some heavy steel, almost 250 pounds, and we spray galvanized it. The bottom had inverted "Y" legs that were designed to slip over the steel plate at the bottom of the opening. The top would be held up, and down, with case hardened steel chains, connected by special case hardened bolts that could only be installed with a proprietary wrench. They could rattle the Grate, lift it up a little, and move it around, but they could not take it down, and they could not get inside. It was not going to be taken down with a hack saw, a wrench, or anything short of a torch. Of course, this is all assuming it was actually going to work???? We would not find out until we were on the wreck and tried to install it.

Amazingly, our "super-secret" trip did remain a secret?? How that happened, I have no idea. We were totally prepared and ready with our plan, including spare parts. Again, the weather was perfect. We were very successful in Third Class, and could have just gone home from there. However, the Grate fit the opening in the wreck perfectly!!! When we left the Doria, the Grate was in place and the opening secured. As the Seeker pulled into Montauk harbor, the Wahoo was just arriving on the Doria for their "secret" trip. For them, what they found on the wreck was not what they had expected. Some of their divers laughed, some just smiled, and some spewed venom. There are very few things I have accomplished in my life, where I have not ended up pissing someone off for some reason or another, and this was no exception.

Grate Dive LogOver the years, thousands of pieces of china were salvaged from this opening into third class.  When we next returned to the Doria, the Grate was still in place, we were able to open it easily, and were the first ones to get at the third class compartments thanks to our grate idea. When that trip was finished, we left the hole open, and the Grate lying on the wreck.

When the Wahoo returned to the Doria for a later trip, they tried to salvage the Grate from the wreck, unsuccessfully. Thousands of pieces of Third Class china passed through that opening over the years.

Seriously, it is almost 25 years later, and I am still laughing about how ingenious, driven, and stupid we all were. Diving on the Doria was always serious, and challenging, and sometimes even fatal. It was a no nonsense wreck that did not tolerate foolishness well. At the same time, we found a way to have a little fun, and diving is supposed to be fun.

The sign that Glenn and I left on the Grate read:

"Closed for Inventory. Please Use Alternate Entrance. Thank you. Crew and Patrons of Seeker."


35 Responses

  1. Amazing story. Thank you. Pleaae keep all of this alive with your blog. Raphael
    • Don Hills
      I love reading about this time with the two boats in competition. Makes me wish I took up diving just a few years sooner. :)
    • John - I loved reading about this story. I remember when you brought the plates from the Andrea Doria to our dive class that was cool. God Bless. David
      • John Chatterton
        Shipwrecks, and artifacts, are inspiring. I am going to try to get to the Doria again this summer! Last year we had hurricane and lightning issues, so maybe it will work out better this year? JC
  2. Amy Broughman
    Unbelievable, John. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed this video. I just finished rereading Deep Descent (Kevin McMurray) last night. It's fascinating to be able to put images to the story. Even though I knew there was no ambient light @ 190 ft, I was stunned at how incredibly DARK it is down there. No wonder more than one diver has become disoriented on that wreck. Truly, thanks for posting. I'd love to see more of that.
  3. J5
    Great story, thank you for sharing your adventures with us all. Please keep them coming. They are very entertaining and educational at the same time.
  4. Cathie
    John, your post brought back one of my favorite memories from those days. Great story. It really was amazing that word never leaked out about the secret Seeker trip. I was on that Wahoo trip. The Wahoo couldn't remove the grate, but it wasn't for lack of trying. The "closed for inventory" sign was priceless. I seem to recall that there was another interesting, er, "artifact" left behind.... Oh, the hoops we will jump through for used dinner dishes....
  5. Amos
    There versions of this story in The Last Dive, and Shadow Divers are different from this and from each other. I always wondered which was true. Its nice to get an answer.
  6. Bjorn Loftis
    Awesome video and what an epic prank!!! :) Thanks for sharing that story, John.
  7. Vince
    Love the video AND the photo of your dive log! How did you get measurements for the grate from video?
    • John Chatterton
      Glenn shot some video of us working with the torch to enlarge the opening on the previous trip. We used a "striker" plate to light the Broco rod. We knew the striker plate was exactly 6" long, and with that measurement we estimated all the other measurements from Glenn's video. JC
  8. Bernie Saccaro
    I remember the night Glenn tested the chain locks' by putting one on the curb in front of his house and hitting that cylinder as hard as he could with an eight pound sledge hammer. The curb shattered. The lock wasn't even scratched.
  9. Johan
    So funny. :-) impressive job done in 190ft...
  10. George
    Thank you for sharing this video. I had read about it in the book and it was nice to see the actual operation.
  11. Glenn Plokhoy
    John, Grate one! Thanks for the heads up email. I can still hear Bill complaining about the cost of that chain! It was very special being part of the Seeker crew and diving with you back then. Lots of memories. Bernie, good to here from you too.
    • Bernie Saccaro
      And you Glenn. Call me if you ever get time to chat. 973-885-7395.
    • Glenn, I dove on only one ill fated Seeker Doria trip which I am sure you were on. My diver partner was Clint and the other less fortunate person. I assume this goes to you as a reply. I am in Chicago for the last 18 years and reconnected with John C at a O hare dive show a few years back. Hope to reconect with you. Ken Kirsch
      • John Chatterton
        Hey Ken, I hope you are doing well. Shoot me an email someday, jc@johnchatterton.com Cheers JC
        • Hey, John how have you been doing...just doing some reminiscing, did a search for Seeker.. found your web page, love the stories. Donnie
          • John Chatterton
            Hey Don, We had some good times on the Seeker! I hope you are doing well. JC
  12. John Yurga
    I first saw the raw footage of this video as well as some video of burning the opening in 1989 at a Christmas party at Underwater Sports of NJ. It was also the first time I met John, who narrated the video live for us. Seeing the fun they were having on what was considered to be the most dangerous wreck in the Northeast, I knew right away that these were the guys I wanted to hang around with...
    • John Chatterton
      Jajajajaja You had no common sense at all, so you fit in perfectly!! Remember the time your dry suit flooded on the Choapa, and you were so cold you took the space heater under a blanket to warm up, and your stomach ended up with grill marks!! :)
  13. Tony Walker
    Thank you for: 1. Sharing. 2. Having the forethought to get this on video in the first place. 3. Having a sense of humour (English spelling) 4. Knowing your "stuff" to do this in the first place, and tell the rest of us lemmings all about it. Cheers, hope to see you in NC again soon!
  14. Chris Carpenter
    Too Funny! Really enjoyed the vid and the narration.
  15. Casey Klaus
    Great and appropriate response. The fact that you left it open later shows your good nature toward other divers.
  16. Mathue Totten
    I love your stories John! Thank you so much for sharing them. They are great in your books, but your blog with the photos, videos and additional commentary make them new again and even better. Don't ever stop! Thanks! -Mathue
  17. Jhn you are my hero as well as my grandson.PLEASE make more videaos as well as for tv....thats how we learn and get inspired....just like Cousteau.Please be well my friend.....Ed Gibson
  18. Your exploits are legendary, reading all of the Doria books and what kind of normal but bold guys has you are has pushed me to become a better diver for this I give thanks! Have you ever thought about putting out a video documentary using the videos that have been made it would be cool to see the divers and boat' that were so robust and core to the story of diving the Andrea Doria.
    • John Chatterton
      In my spare time, I am trying to post more videos from some of the interesting places I have had the opportunity to visit. I have a couple of Doria videos, a Uboat video, and a couple of Lusitania videos already on YouTube. You can find them there or try the links to video here on my website.
  19. Classic! Absolutely loved the covert mission or should I say dive. The more complex the mind, the more the need, for the simplicity of play.
  20. I remember the day you brought a plate and other artifacts from the Andria Doria to our dive class. I thought to myself - how cool. As a collector of old bottles and an appreciation of old china, glassware and other antiques I really thought that was great. A few years alter, I was at a party in Pittsburgh - a fundraiser for families of victims of cancer. The fundraiser was held at a very modern house built by tow brothers who made their fortune developing software for the commercial shipping industry. They had a glass cabinet with plates and artifacts from the Titanic that they had collected over the years. It reminded me of you. I told them about that and they thought it was so cool. God Bless! David Freudenrich
  21. Hi John, from a land lubber in Saskatchewan Canada - thank you for posting this Grate video - I have read Shadow Divers a half dozen times ( and will again - what a great read! ), and I loved this prank you two pulled. I don't like people who try to screw with other people just out of spite, so that was a really good one :)! I've just read ' Pirate Hunters ' - what an adventure - you guys are tenacious! I love these stories because they're true, and I've always had a deep affection for the water ( maybe my Viking heritage haha ) - you are truly blessed to have found your calling, and thank you again for sharing with all of us who can only dream of such adventures. Keep the books coming please! It would be an honor to meet you and have you sign a book but I doubt that will ever happen - a person can dream though haha! Take care. Best regards always. Blaine
    • John Chatterton
      Hey Blaine, Thank you for the very nice comments. I am flattered. If you want me to personalize your book, you can always shoot me an email and we will make it happen. jc@johnchatterton.com JC
  22. Awesome vid! I can only imagine how big the video camera and video lights were in 1989. Steady footage for 190 ft before trimix with a big rig! I screenshot’d the epic sign I read about in Shadow Divers. Ha! I think this season the weather will cooperate and we will make it out! Capt. Nick is a true gem and I’m looking forward to meeting you. Partly because of Shadow Divers, but a big part because a diver trained by you was an awesome diver and model (hovering in dark engine rooms) in Truk Lagoon...and he had just under 100 dives. He said you trained him. As a tec instructor, that gained my interest and respect, and that’s the day I thought it would be cool to meet you...and then Capt. Nick said you had the charter before ours! Let’s get some china in 2019!
  23. John thank you for all you have done for the sport of deep diving And thanks for reignition you have given my father My Dad used to say (It does not matter what they say as long as you are saying something )

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